Posts by Coded Logic

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At what percentage would you rate Trump fighting North Korea in next 12 months ?

by Chook in

i'm not real sure if it's 50/50 but i know trump has a lot of key advisers that live for the war machine, and what's the good of weapons that never get used.

kimmy seems hell bent on a fireworks display..

Coded Logic

I'd say less than a one percent chance. However, if articles of impeachment are drawn up, I think the likelyhood will be much higher.

Anything to distract the people.

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Trump pulls out of Paris Agreement -

by AFRIKANMAN in

jw
friends

would like to see your responses ~.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2017/jun/01/donald-trump-paris-climate-agreement-live-news.

kapitan kovfefe is a man of his word - well ...twisted word ~ .

Coded Logic

Israel is the only country in the region with a democracy and modern view of human rights
-Simon

Well said!

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Trump pulls out of Paris Agreement -

by AFRIKANMAN in

jw
friends

would like to see your responses ~.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2017/jun/01/donald-trump-paris-climate-agreement-live-news.

kapitan kovfefe is a man of his word - well ...twisted word ~ .

Coded Logic

Trump can't even negotiate a good budget deal with the Dems when he controls the house, the senate, and the executive branch. How's he going to negotiate a good deal with the ENTIRE world?

Trump is a total failure as a negotiator. I wouldn't trust him to get me a good deal on a set of tires. Much less entrust him with fate of our entire planet.

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Trump pulls out of Paris Agreement -

by AFRIKANMAN in

jw
friends

would like to see your responses ~.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2017/jun/01/donald-trump-paris-climate-agreement-live-news.

kapitan kovfefe is a man of his word - well ...twisted word ~ .

Coded Logic

A "better deal"?

Yeah, let's light the house on fire and kick out the first fire fighters that show up in hopes of getting a "better deal".

I swear, it would be nice to have at least one thread without some idiot regurgitating Fox News moronic talking points.

This is the welfare of our planet we're talking about. The "better deal" is taking serious steps to mitigate the harmful effects of climate change as quickly as we can!!

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the james webb telescope is set to launch in october of 2018 and will allow us to study the formation of first generation stars, the molecular clouds that became the first galaxies, and directly image exoplanets.

roughly one hundred times more powerful than the hubble space telescope the jwst is going to push back the current boundaries of science.. this is what 100-million man hours can accomplish.. .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8p0samsz7m.

Coded Logic

Launch date still set for 2018. Here's an update on testing:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-05/23/22/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-03/sub-buzz-10341-1495592501-1.png?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto

So far, everything's looking good

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Stratigies to get a loved one out

by Coded Logic in

i don't think there's any "one right way" to go about trying to show friends and family that the religion is both false and harmful.

but i do think there are a couple of things we should keep in mind..

) the religion is a social network.

Coded Logic

I don't think there's any "one right way" to go about trying to show friends and family that the religion is both false and harmful. But I do think there are a couple of things we should keep in mind.

1.) The religion is a social network

If we are going to get someone out it would be helpful if they have friends and family outside of the organization to whom they could gravitate. Getting them to spend quality time with non-JWs may be the best thing we can do. Building relationships with people outside of the religion gives them not only a safety net - but also cements the notion that non-JWs can be good people too.

2.) The religion controls information

Putting "apostate" material in front of trapped friend or family member probably isn't a good idea. However, giving them the tools to do research on their own can be highly effective. For example, showing them something benign like a link to the interlinear Bible

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3.htm

or, if their into science, maybe an article on ancestry showing that humanity has been around much longer than 6,000 years

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/24/world/tracing-your-family-tree-to-cheddar-man-s-mum.html

The point here isn't to pursue any one line of evidence. But rather to give them the tools to access information outside the JW bubble.

3.) It's best to ask simple questions - and follow up.

You don't have to get into the teachings of 607BC. It can be something as simple as "Why do animals suffer and die?"

Ask the question - let them answer. And then leave it alone. Wait until the next time you see them bring it up, "Hey, you know how I asked you about animal suffering and you said x, y, and z? Do you really think that's true?" And let them answer again. And then leave it alone.

We have to remember that it's not about winning any particular argument. Rather, it's about getting them to think outside of the JW box. To get them questioning their own beliefs.

. . .

Just some ideas I've been kicking around. I've had success getting two friends out - but they were kind of already on their own path if you know what I mean. Anyways, I'd love to hear what your guys think. Anything else you've found has been / might be effective?

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When was the first time you said, "thank you for your service" to someone?

by Coded Logic in

mine was to some random guy in uniform i saw on the street about two years ago.

even as a jw i knew that we had a lot of freedoms here in the us that were hard earned.

it felt really good to finally be able to say in person to someone when i i did..

Coded Logic

So who picks which genocide to go to war over?

Here in the US, the President is our Commander in Chief and has full control over our armed forces outside of the United States. Their use of this power is checked by the US Congress who can make declarations of war.

Other countries have different decision making process'.

Which country is responsible to send their sons and daughters to die?

Whichever country is willing to stand up against genocide. For example, those currently in the coalition against ISIS include Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Qatar, Iraq, Barbarian, the United Kingdom, Australia, France, Germany, Canada, the United States, and the Netherlands.

Should I send the son or daughter I gave life to?

No, this is not your decision to make. In most countries service is voluntary. And in cases where conscription occurs it is regulated by the state. Not by a persons parents.

All that love and life invested should be ended to do some altruistic bullshit that will continue either way because there is no money to be made in doing it right?

Stopping a rapist will stop the rape. But it will not stop all rapes from ever happening in the future. Likewise, wars end conflicts. They do not end all war.

And altruism is not bullshit. We are a social species. Societies that work together survive. Societies that can't work together don't survive. It is in everyone's best interest to find a way of working together in the sorts of societies that value human life, welfare, and happiness. And sometimes force is a necessary tool to use against individuals who stand opposed to human life, welfare, and happiness.

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When was the first time you said, "thank you for your service" to someone?

by Coded Logic in

mine was to some random guy in uniform i saw on the street about two years ago.

even as a jw i knew that we had a lot of freedoms here in the us that were hard earned.

it felt really good to finally be able to say in person to someone when i i did..

Coded Logic

Wasanelder Once,

Do you think there are any other reasons you would be willing to use force outside of someone breaking into your house to harm you and your family?

For example, if you saw a women being raped would you attempt to stop the attacker? If you were unable to stop the attacker by yourself, would you get a group of people together to stop the attacker?

If you said yes to these - then you understand the principles of warfare.

We don't just fight wars in response to large scale attacks on our own persons or property. The US has fought wars for many reasons. Like stopping the genocide that was going on in Kosovo. Like stopping the Taliban from ruling and running terrorist operations out of Afghanistan. Or to protect a sovereign country from the invasion by it's neighbor Iraq.

Imagine if we had not fought Korean war. That too was called a "goalless battle with no purpose or end in sight". The entire Korean peninsula would now be under the control of the madman Kim Jong Un. Instead of Seoul being a city filled with prosperity and social freedoms it would instead be home to a population of starving and freedomless men, women, and children.

Imagine an Iraq still under the brutal mandates of Saddam Huessien? Or even worse - his sons!

There are many reasons we fight wars. A country doesn't have to bomb Pearl Harbor of fly planes into the Twin Towers for us to find force a necessary evil to stop an even greater injustice.

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When was the first time you said, "thank you for your service" to someone?

by Coded Logic in

mine was to some random guy in uniform i saw on the street about two years ago.

even as a jw i knew that we had a lot of freedoms here in the us that were hard earned.

it felt really good to finally be able to say in person to someone when i i did..

Coded Logic

Mine was to some random guy in uniform I saw on the street about two years ago. Even as a JW I knew that we had a lot of freedoms here in the US that were hard earned. It felt really good to finally be able to say in person to someone when I I did.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Coded Logic

Yes, but it's a way from having uncovered some evidence. Unless someone is putting their name to it, then it's just an unsubstantiated rumour (sic).

Journalist only publish if they have at least two credible sources that can corroborate a story. You're just trying to marginalize the enormous impact of the report be redefining it with a weaker and pejorative term (i.e. "unsubstantiated rumor").

This is not an honest way to engage in debate.